Individuals Stakeholder Forum

New Penalties workshop at Individuals Stakeholder Forum - 2 October 2008

  • TaxAid were pleased that HMRC intended to fully consider and understand the customer's behaviour before considering whether a penalty was due.
  • HMRC's view that 'People do make mistakes' and that making a mistake despite taking reasonable care would not be penalised was seen as a step in the right direction.
  • The intention of HMRC to consider, understand and take into account the abilities and circumstances of the customer when deciding on the behaviour that gave rise to any error was seen as a positive step.
  • TaxAid did have concerns as to how that HMRC 'intention' would be translated into consistent practical application by their officers; the extensive recording system of penalty details was seen as a potential way of ensuring this.
  • TaxAid made the point that their constituency regularly consisted of those who were most often 'vulnerable' and hoped that their 'abilities and circumstances' would be taken into account fully.
  • TaxAid emphasised that a large number of customers would not know that they did not know ('unknown unknowns') they were making an error and would 'fall into the trap' of penalties. HMRC accepted that they must be extremely mindful of that when exercising their judgement on errors.
  • TaxAid deal with the majority of their callers by way of telephone, and that 70 per cent do not need them again. HMRC considered that they could probably learn from such a high level of 'closure', and how TaxAid managed to achieve this.
  • HMRC offered to give presentations to Tax Aid's advisers if they felt that this would be beneficial; there are logistical problems with this - the advisers are geographically widespread - but would be considered.