CC(99)Minutes (19)
16 March 1999
Tax Law Rewrite Consultative Committee
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Minutes of the Nineteenth Consultative Committee Meeting
I attach the minutes of the nineteenth meeting of the Consultative Committee, held on 16th March 1999.
SIMON HABESCH
Secretary to the Consultative Committee
Minutes of the Nineteenth Consultative
Committee held on Tuesday 16th March in the James Pennethorne
Room, Somerset House
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Present: Neil Munro (Chairman) Adam Broke (Special Committee) Richard Baron (IoD) Colin Davis (CIOT) Matt McGrath (ABI) Maurice Parry-Wingfield (ICAEW) Francis Sandison (Law Society) Jane Vass (Consumers Association) Secretary Simon Habesch |
Patrick Linford Robin Willis Jon Allen Karen Lawrence Satnam Singh John Pearce Royston Griffey Karolyn Cooper |
Welcome and apologies
1. Apologies had been received from Malcolm Gammie, Cunnie Rankin, Simon Sweetman and Mervyn Woods. Geoffrey Sellers was also unable to attend.
2. The Chairman welcomed Francis Sandison, representing the Law Society. He also welcomed Patrick Linford, leader of the team responsible for the draft response document, Robin Willis, Jon Allen, Karen Lawrence and Satnam Singh from the team working on the draft Exposure Draft on capital allowances, and John Pearce, Royston Griffey and Karolyn Cooper from the drafting team.
Minutes of the meeting on 16 February 1999 and matters arising
3. No comments had been received on the minutes of the last meeting. However, at their meeting on 3rd March the Steering Committee had discussed a suggestion from the Consultative Committee - not recorded in the minutes - that it would be helpful if the commentary on the rules for basis periods included a flow diagram. The Project Team had agreed to consider this further, with the reservation that the timetable for publication might mean that it could not be included in the Exposure Draft. This had been the outcome, but they would look at it again when the clauses were revisited.
4. Subject to this point, the minutes were agreed.
5. The Committee had been sent a copy of the reply from the Chancellor of the Exchequer to Lord Howes letter enclosing the stocktake report. They welcomed this positive endorsement for the project.
6. On the format of Statute Law, Lord Howe had been in correspondence with the Leaders of both Houses. The working group chaired by Paul Hayter would be producing examples illustrating the working groups recommendations and the project proposals. These would be sent to the two Leaders, and considered in due course by the Procedure Committee of the House of Lords and the Modernisation Committee of the House of Commons.
Item 3: Paper CC(99)7: Draft Exposure Draft: Capital Allowances
7. Robin Willis introduced this paper.
8. The Committee had discussed a list of proposed rewrite changes at their last meeting. The rewrite team had continued developing clauses and commentary, which would be further improved up to the date of publication. Rewritten clauses on allowances for agricultural buildings would now be included in a later Exposure Draft planned for July.
9. The Committee were invited to consider the draft Exposure Draft. The following points were made in discussion, along with minor drafting suggestions which the Project Team agreed to consider.
General issues
a) The Committee favoured the
familiar expression "plant and machinery" over the statutory
"machinery and plant", if no better single word label
could be found. They suggested that this be aired in the Exposure
Draft for consultation.
b) The Project Team had continued with the approach taken in the third Exposure Draft, drafting in terms of "qualifying expenditure" even if this concept meant different things in different Parts. The Committee agreed that this was helpful, provided the context made it clear what was meant.
c) The Committee suggested that there
should be more use of notes, and the Project Team agreed to consider
this further.
Plant and machinery
d) The Project Team had introduced
the concept of "qualifying activity" to cover all the
activities in respect of which a person could claim allowances (paragraph
13 of cover note). The Committee agreed this was helpful.
e) The Committee suggested a simple cross reference in 2.3.6(2) (page 47) rather than reproducing what was meant by a Schedule A business. They noted that the label would disappear as consequential amendments once ICTA was rewritten. The same point arose on other definitions, such as that for holiday lettings.
f) The Committee queried the treatment of the exclusion for expenditure on "land" and "buildings" (2.2.21 on page 69). The Project Team said that this reproduced the existing law, and that the position would become clearer when provisions relating to fixtures were rewritten in due course. They would consider whether the commentary could be expanded.
g) One member suggested that it would be helpful to include a flow diagram in the commentary accompanying this clause, or in the notes.
h) The Committee suggested that the rewrite team improve the label "certain contracts" to make it clearer to the lay reader that these included hire purchase etc contracts (2.4.2 on page 99).
i) Section 65 CAA (rewritten as 2.5.4 on page 139) deals with allowances for assets owned by a partner but used by the partnership. The Committee recognised that such allowances were, in general, allocated through the partnership agreement, but suggested that the possible manner of allocation could usefully be made explicit in the Exposure Draft.
j) The Committee suggested that the time limit for elections between connected persons should be made explicit (2.5.6 on page 147).
Dredging
k) While the rewritten legislation
was longer than before, the Committee agreed that clarity and ease
of comprehension were more important than brevity.
l) They also preferred, where appropriate, signposting other provisions through the use of descriptions in parentheses over reproducing the provision itself.
m) The Committee had differing views on whether short sections were helpful to the reader, and made a number of suggestions where two or more sections could be run together. They recognised that section headings were important to the reader, and suggested that these could be expanded to do more than simply reproduce the content of a short clause. The Project Team replied they had adopted a uniform drafting approach across the capital allowances Exposure Drafts, which aimed to make clear to the reader what followed. This approach could be looked at again when the provisions were brought together into a rewrite Bill.
Patents
n) The rules for allowances on
patents were found in Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988. The
Committee noted that the Revenue had now published a consultative
document on the taxation of intellectual property, which might in
due course affect these clauses.
o) The Committee welcomed the use of the method statement in 8A.3.2 on page 251, and suggested that this be adopted, if possible, for machinery and plant. One member suggested that this clause could adopt something even closer to a working sheet for the computation and outlined a possible approach. The Project Team said that they were guided by the nature of the material being rewritten, but that they would consider the working sheet with an open mind.
p) The Committee suggested replacing the concept of a "user of a patent" with something more meaningful. The Project Team noted that this expression was used in patent law, and that it had not been possible to improve it when rewriting sections 348 and 349 ICTA 88 in the second Exposure Draft.
10. Subject to these points, the Committee were content for the Exposure Draft to be published for consultation. One member suggested that it would be helpful if the Exposure Draft contained an index to the provisions.
Item 4: Paper CC(99)8: Draft Response Document: Savings and Investment Income of Individuals
11. Patrick Linford introduced this paper, which was a draft of the paper responding to the second Exposure Draft published in July 1998. 29 responses had been received, some of which were extremely detailed. The Project Team were grateful for all these contributions.
General issues
12. There were fewer comments on general rewrite issues than on the first Exposure Draft, reflecting a greater familiarity with the project approach.
a) Overall, respondents continued
to find the rewritten legislation significantly clearer and easier
to use than before.
b) The Exposure Draft proposed
45 rewrite changes. Generally, these were felt to be desirable,
although a few respondents thought that changes should only be made
through a Finance Bill.
c) The rewritten clauses included
inoperative material, such as signposts. Some respondents found
this helpful, while others were concerned about possible conflict
with the substantive rules. A new approach, involving overviews
and notes, had been tested in the Exposure Draft on capital allowances
for industrial buildings, and the responses were currently being
analysed.
d) Opinions had differed on the value of formulae, although most respondents were content with dual approach of using narrative text combined with a formula. No-one found formulae a hindrance.
Savings and Investment Income issues
e) The Committee had discussed
the Accrued Income Scheme (AIS) at their earlier meeting. In the
light of that discussion and the views of the Steering Committee,
the AIS would now be rewritten in Part 6. And publication of the
next Exposure Draft on savings and investment income would be put
back until October so that the AIS could be included.
f) In general, respondents agreed
with the proposed contents of Part 6, although some had commented
that some existing annual payments could not be described as savings
and investment income. The Project Team had concluded that they
had to retain the concept of an annual payment, but would be looking
at ways to make the provisions clearer. In addition, they were examining
the implications of taking annual payments (apart from annuity payments
on purchased life annuities) out of Part 6 and putting them in another
part of the Act.
g) Some respondents felt that income
from trusts and income from estates in administration were not savings
and investment income. Rewritten clauses would be published for
consultation in due course, although these might not necessarily
be included in Part 6. A similar conclusion had been reached on
the detailed rules for SAYE schemes.
h) And some respondents had felt that income from intellectual property was not savings and investment income. The Project Team was therefore considering taking the chapter on royalties etc out of Part 6. A Consultative Document on the taxation of intellectual property had since been published which might in due course affect these clauses.
i) The Project Team was considering
how best to deal in Part 6 with United Kingdom source income, although
this might be addressed as the larger question of how the rewrite
approached foreign income generally.
13. The Project Team proposed to send copies of the final document to the members of both Committees and all those who responded, and also to publish it on the Internet.
14. The Committee noted the summary of the responses, and were content for the response document to be published. They welcomed the Project Teams willingness to look again at the boundary of Part 6 in the light of consultation, while recognising the difficulty of where to draw the line.
15. They noted the number of responses, and suggested that people should be encouraged to comment on aspects of any Exposure Draft if they could not comment on the whole document.
Item 5: Other business
Steering Committee minutes
16. The Committee had been sent the minutes of the Steering Committee meeting held on 10 February. No further points arose.
Future agenda papers
17. The Committee had been sent a schedule of papers to be discussed over the forthcoming year. This was based on present plans which might change, and did not include unforeseen papers of topical interest. The schedule showed that there would be no major agenda papers for the meetings in July and December 1999, and only one item - a Response Document - in May 1999.
18. The Committee noted the position, and agreed that the dates in July and December should be kept open in case of unexpected developments. They agreed that, if the May agenda remained light, the draft Response Document could be cleared in correspondence.
19. Some meetings would have heavy agendas. A particular problem would arise in March 2000, when the publication of the first rewrite Bill on capital allowances would clash with draft Exposure Drafts on property income and on employment income. The Committee did not favour increasing the number of meetings, but suggested that more time should be given to consider papers and that the circulation might be staggered.
20. The Project Team said that they were very conscious of the burden that consultation placed both on the members and on those they represented, and would consider these proposals further.
SIMON HABESCH
Secretary to the Consultative Committee
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